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hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus brought on stage, a lot of expectations about justice how agretsive vice president joe biden will be. has president obama spoken to the veep and offered any sage words of advice? >> well, you heard it right there in the interview, i think the vice president's goal will be the same as the president's was last week to lay out the economic choice for the middle class in this election. but what he will do is try to correct the brazen attempt that the romney/ryan ticket to rewrite and hide their position. you saw "the new york times" reported the romney campaign saw on focus groups what voters liked about the debate they didn't hea
hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus...
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but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to that first debate. you know, the so-called likability gap. the idea that mitt romney is out of touch with the average american. going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than yo
but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to...
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joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the absence of a second-term agenda. immediately after the election. until and unless he does, the only rational is the urgency of stopping the other guys. has the president given his second term agenda, patrick? and if so, what is it? do you see a priority list? >> well, there absolutely is. p president articulated it. but clearly from this stage in charlotte, north carolina, with millions of americans watching at our convention. the president talked about the ways in which by 2016 he'll create 1 million new manufacturing jobs in this country and we will double our manu
joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the...
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joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one point the vice president seemed to even hold himself back from actually cursing. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> irish call it malarkey. >> ryan, of course, largely avoided taking the bait. he did push back at biden a few times including this little zinger. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> the democratic base needed a shot in the arm and biden gave it to them, deploying several attacks that romney failed to use in just one minute of the debate. one minute.
joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one...
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. >> the pressure now mounting on joe biden with the kentucky clash just over 24 hours away. can he seal the deal or is he facing a mission impossible? even with the a-team linking arms the president's campaign is sticking by its own balance plan and calling reinforcements to gear up. >> i would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected. the president can't do it by himself. >> obama has to stand and deliver and nobody can do it for him. >> can the president recover? >> right. >> can he come back and be president on the stage with the contender mitt romney? >> how great is it for barack obama, look at this positively, he's the underdog now. the president of the united states is now the underdog. >> mitt romney will be stump thing hour in battleground ohio with the fiery surrogate chris christie who will be bringing what some on the left call his own jersey shore brand of gtl. go tell lies. meanwhile, romney's getting help from at not
. >> the pressure now mounting on joe biden with the kentucky clash just over 24 hours away. can he seal the deal or is he facing a mission impossible? even with the a-team linking arms the president's campaign is sticking by its own balance plan and calling reinforcements to gear up. >> i would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected. the...
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. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about his debate last week. >> all of the debates are tough but i'm looking forward to it, i really am. the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightforward up to everything until now, all of the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view of issues. >> the vice president has been studying up on ryan's real positions and is prepared to call him out oh on his actual positions. >> uh-huh. >> since there is possibly some variation between the romney campaign and the ryan campaign and the old paul. >> the key word in the clip that you just said was straightforward. he's been straightforward in the positions he has had. and so if he stands up there and says that is he pro life, well then biden can go back and say, i'm sorry, so what you're saying is, you and governor romney -- it's daylight between you two on this issue because just yesterday he said that he was fine with roe versus wade. like which is it? who is the top of the ticket? who is going to be driving the bus if you win in november? >> let's listen t
. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about his debate last week. >> all of the debates are tough but i'm looking forward to it, i really am. the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightforward up to everything until now, all of the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view of issues. >> the vice president has been studying up on ryan's real positions and is prepared to call him out oh on his actual positions. >> uh-huh....
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tomorrow night, of course, is the vp debate between paul ryan and joe biden. it was the highest vice presidential history last time around. our coverage of the vp match starts tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. cannot wait. we'll see it there. in the meantime, it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> team romney's biggest problem is back and that problem, the one that just won't go away is mitt romney. >> tax, education, reproductive rights. >> you want to know my position on issues, ask me and i'll tell. >> you when you're mitt romney, what's wrong with a little change of heart. >> romney's flipped again. >> it's what he said about abortion. >> a woman's right to chose. >> a new romney promise. >> new policies, new statements, and new beliefs. >> no new abortion laws. >> here's what he told the des moines register yesterday. >> i didn't say that would become part of my agenda. >> here is moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i've missed you. >> basically calling him a liar. >> lied about what? he's been saying this all long. >> my presidency will w
tomorrow night, of course, is the vp debate between paul ryan and joe biden. it was the highest vice presidential history last time around. our coverage of the vp match starts tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. cannot wait. we'll see it there. in the meantime, it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> team romney's biggest problem is back and that problem, the one that just won't go away is mitt romney. >> tax, education, reproductive rights. >> you want...
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that's what we saw joe biden doing during the debate. there was this constant sense of making paul ryan look absurd through the laughter. i've got to ask, if you're an undecided, then you're loving joe biden. but if you're undecide and watching it, does that sort of posture by the vice president change your opinion about the election one way or the other? >> it might change your opinion because you might think there's this mean v.p. being not to nice and laughing at the v.p. candidate on the other side. on the other hand it also might make you think that the v.p. candidate for the republicans is just a little bit too young for all of this. he looked -- he looked at times very nervous and all the water drinking made me think he's going to raise up the baptist finger and go to the bathroom. it think it makes you more confused because at times when they were stepping on each other, you couldn't hear what he was saying. i think the two moments that might have grabbed you was the abortion moment and the closing. i think those are the two mome
that's what we saw joe biden doing during the debate. there was this constant sense of making paul ryan look absurd through the laughter. i've got to ask, if you're an undecided, then you're loving joe biden. but if you're undecide and watching it, does that sort of posture by the vice president change your opinion about the election one way or the other? >> it might change your opinion because you might think there's this mean v.p. being not to nice and laughing at the v.p. candidate on...
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>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to know what the facts are. facts have anything to do with it, biden was completely in charge of it because paul ryan has been running away from this budget, the republican party has, romney has, and he really believes in what he is saying is the only thing he's done in congress. he truly believes in the numbers and cannot get his own party to explain how is this thing going to balance out? joe made it abundantly clear, if you're going to cut taxes and raise money to do it, what are you cutting? he didn't do that. on the question of vouchers in te
>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to...
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>> i learned that chris likes it where he is right now because alex, you and joe and i need to meet after the show. >> she does this about once a week, it's a woodshed moment. hey, alex, thanks a lot, buddy, thanks a lot. >> i have to defrost the refrigerator, so i can't join you. >> i was doing that during a certain interview. willie, it's way too early. >> we'll see you tomorrow, stick around for chuck. >>> there's your bounce, the pew poll propels mitt romney. >>> kentucky derby, all eyes turn to the bluegrass state. how much pressure faces paul ryan. and this morning, former penn state football coach jerry sandusky finds out if he'll spend the rest of his life in prison on 45 counts of child sex abuse, he already put out a taped statement denying it all. we'll have the latest from the courthouse as soon as it happens. it is happening within minutes there in pennsylvania. >>> good morning from washington, it's four weeks until election day, tuesday, october 10. will romney serve in national polling translate into gains where it really matters t battleground states, the mimpb battlegrou
>> i learned that chris likes it where he is right now because alex, you and joe and i need to meet after the show. >> she does this about once a week, it's a woodshed moment. hey, alex, thanks a lot, buddy, thanks a lot. >> i have to defrost the refrigerator, so i can't join you. >> i was doing that during a certain interview. willie, it's way too early. >> we'll see you tomorrow, stick around for chuck. >>> there's your bounce, the pew poll propels mitt...
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>> you may have overlooked the fact that for the last few weeks i've been joe biden. so -- >> mr. olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and not just democrats but republicans, too. the tides are changing. attitudes are changing. and the way to change those attitudes is dialogue. and the way to change those attitudes is to talk to people about the fundamental right and the way to deal with republicans in my opinion is to say we are the party of abraham lincoln. let's not forget that. what are these -- we say that. let's live up to that. let's think about our principles here. what is decency and privacy and respect? can't talk about what happens in debate preparation but when those issues, if they're issues, they come up in the preparation because t
>> you may have overlooked the fact that for the last few weeks i've been joe biden. so -- >> mr. olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and...
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welcome back to "morning joe." you love him. >> i love him. >> come o-tina. >> that's like a jam session he does when he gets up there. at the convention he got up and jammed and it was absolute magic. >> you can see the editor and chief of "newsweek" magazine and "the daily beast," tina brown and in washington host of ""the daily rundown"," chuck todd. >> did he jump up and down? >> yes, he did. >> we need to let presidents run for two feterms. i want him back to the campaign tram. >> let him run. he should be the permanent campaigner. i think that we know. >> he really should. >> he loved it it. >> the more obama and the better clinton gets. >> what do you think? what are you trying to say, tina? >> he's enjoying it. >> right now he's having a ball, because this is where he thrives and what he knows how to do better than anyone. >> the sweet spot. >> we begin this hour with the fight for the battleground states. less than four weeks until election day in ohio where 18 electoral votes are up for grabs. a new cnn p
welcome back to "morning joe." you love him. >> i love him. >> come o-tina. >> that's like a jam session he does when he gets up there. at the convention he got up and jammed and it was absolute magic. >> you can see the editor and chief of "newsweek" magazine and "the daily beast," tina brown and in washington host of ""the daily rundown"," chuck todd. >> did he jump up and down? >> yes, he did. >> we...
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joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement, ideological elements. is he going to go up on the stage tonight and renounce it all? that is the strategic chose made by the romney campaign. you're going to go up there and everything you've done since the first day you were a junior staffer on the hill to now, we want you to throw it out the window and do it in front of everyone. is he going to take his life's work and rip it up on national television? >> are they going to hold ryan to what he has done in politics? this is going to be such a good night. all right. as everyone concedes that president
joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement,...
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. >> do you expect joe biden to be able to make that point or to do anything else that's going to significantly change the democrats' process. >> i do have high hopes for biden. i watched the debates in the 2007-2008 campaign and biden beat both hillary clinton and barack obama in a number of debates. everybody talks about his gaffes and they forget he is a good debatetor and he has a capacity for empathy for average people. and he can just explain stuff quite well. so i think he will put ryan on the griddle and take the interview with chris wallace and say look, you've got time. you said the math is too complicated. don't give us talk about base lines. tell us how you're going to do this. >> e.j., thanks for being here. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >>> up next, the grave international implications of having people in our american congress who hold elaborate conspiracy theories about dinosaur farts. sorry. that's next. seriously. >>> this time every year it's the same good news, bad news, high-low kind of feeling. it's the day we learn there are super smart people in the world winni
. >> do you expect joe biden to be able to make that point or to do anything else that's going to significantly change the democrats' process. >> i do have high hopes for biden. i watched the debates in the 2007-2008 campaign and biden beat both hillary clinton and barack obama in a number of debates. everybody talks about his gaffes and they forget he is a good debatetor and he has a capacity for empathy for average people. and he can just explain stuff quite well. so i think he...
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with me now, steve almendorf and republican strategist, joe watkins. >> joe, let me start with you. have the campaigns entered the new phase like "the wall street journal" suggests? are we in closing argument time? if so, what does it mean for both of these campaigns? >> we are in closing argument time, that's not much time left. both campaigns have to work hard to get their message out to voters, what's important for mitt romney, as well as for president obama is getting the folks that are likely to vote for him to show up at the polls and vote on election day, you've got to make sure that the likely voters are the ones that gets the out that you want to get out. >> one of the commercials at the journal predicted the romney campaign out with a new ad highlighting vice president biden's behavior in that debate. >> don't raise taxes on small businesses because they're our job creators, leaders run to problems to fix problems. >> the romney campaign betting on independent voters not liking biden's laughter there. is the jury still out on this thing, steve. >> i think the jury is done,
with me now, steve almendorf and republican strategist, joe watkins. >> joe, let me start with you. have the campaigns entered the new phase like "the wall street journal" suggests? are we in closing argument time? if so, what does it mean for both of these campaigns? >> we are in closing argument time, that's not much time left. both campaigns have to work hard to get their message out to voters, what's important for mitt romney, as well as for president obama is getting...
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joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops to get perspectives. i've been to the funerals, i've talked to the widows, talked to the wives, the moms and the dads. that's something. that matters. >> yeah. the sitting vice president shouldn't have much problem landing a blow on a claim like that. though perhaps rather than boxing, it's more accurate to think of thursday night as tag team wrestling with each candidate making the power move that their partner missed. of course, ultimately a vice presidential candidate's relationship to his running mate is more like hulk hogan's b
joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops...
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welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post," sam stein. and managing editor of "fortune," andy serwer. >> andy, good to see you. how did columbia do this weekend? >> it was another "w." lehigh, i believe. >> lehigh. >> went out to pennsylvania and lost the football game. >> the columbia, what are you guys? >> lions. >> lions, exactly. of course, i knew that. ivy league mascots. hey, mika. >> yeah. >> something weird's happening in this campaign. you know, sometimes you'll have an event, and as the event goes by, you'll just sort of count the days and wait for the buzz to dissipate, because it always does because we get so easily distracted. we're talking this weekend and you're hearing it and i'm hearing it, this terrible debate performance, the impact seems to keep growing and growing. it's like turning now into an urban legend. by the middle of next week, people will say barack obama can't walk dow
welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post," sam stein. and managing editor of "fortune," andy serwer. >> andy, good to see you. how did columbia do this weekend? >> it was another "w." lehigh, i believe. >> lehigh. >> went out to pennsylvania and lost the football game. >> the columbia, what are you guys? >>...
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and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you know, you've got the empire, the great team, plus -- against the upstarts. this one's going to go a while. >> can't go more than five games. >> well, that's a while. if you're a yankees fan. i get nothing from richard haass, so willie. richard, you suck. >> no. >> willie, i'm excited about this stuff. >> go to the ichiro play. >> this is just a great david versus goliath contest. >> i'd say this is a yankee fan, it's hard not to love the orioles and their story. what they've done this year. these are usually the kinds of teams that go away after the all
and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you...